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Post by Redworld96 on Feb 6, 2016 15:53:52 GMT
Well, I thought this thread would be necessary in this forum.
Here we will share all our thoughts and theories about the true identity of the main villain in season 1: Hawk Moth
Share your theories miraculers!
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Post by Skye Blue on Feb 6, 2016 16:10:46 GMT
For now I have to say Gabriel Agreste because missing daddy is suspicious. Guilty until proven innocent. XD
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Post by Redworld96 on Feb 6, 2016 16:19:11 GMT
For now I have to say Gabriel Agreste because missing daddy is suspicious. Guilty until proven innocent. XD I'm just gonna say this: The Bubbler episode ... Bubbler captures all adults from Paris expect Hawk Moth of course. In this episode Gabriel speaks with Nino, Gabriel goes to work, Nino is mad and Hawk Moth appears; LB defeats the Bubbler, Hawk Moth dissapears and Gabriel appears again. And did you see Gabriel in the sky with the rest of adults? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Summary: Guilty too
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Post by -YuiNyan on Feb 6, 2016 17:16:39 GMT
I think is Gabriel Agreste because when I saw first time in episode 2 (the bubbler), I was thinking he is Hawk Moth.....
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Post by Memaiva on Feb 7, 2016 0:51:03 GMT
Not to mention that Hawk Moth and Gabriel both share the same voice actor (I don't know if this is consistent in all languages, but it is the case for English I know)
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Post by psychomegify on Feb 7, 2016 1:12:22 GMT
I think Hawkmoth is Adrien's mother in disguise. Have you ever seen the two in the same room together? I THINK NOT.
lol jk
I saw a theory on tumblr yesterday that Hawkmoth is Marinette's biological father. Not to mention Tom has green eyes, Sabine has grey eyes which means Marinette should not have blue eyes, according to science. However if the blue eyed Hawkmoth was indeed her dad then it would make sense. It's certainly possible, but i'm not really sure if i subscribe to the theory.
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Post by Skye Blue on Feb 7, 2016 1:22:02 GMT
I will make a Punnett square to make sure blue eyes can be double recessive in Marinette's family tree. XD
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Post by Ladybug on Feb 7, 2016 1:52:07 GMT
I'm trying to Google this and Google isn't helping me Jem make the Punnett Square if you have to because I seriously need to know.
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Post by Skye Blue on Feb 7, 2016 2:03:08 GMT
Sure! I don't exactly know the genotype of Marinette's parents' eye color, but I'm sure it's possible if we theorize stuff. I'll post a picture of a Punnett square and explanation after I'm done with some chores. XD Or perhaps a link on tumblr :3
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Post by larry on Feb 7, 2016 3:01:16 GMT
Both of them are voiced by the same voice actor so...
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Post by Skye Blue on Feb 7, 2016 3:29:41 GMT
I love how you really pointed this out, Larry! I would laugh though if Gabriel isn't Hawkmoth but shares the same voice as the villain XD
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Post by Sharper the Writer on Feb 10, 2016 1:16:49 GMT
Obviously it's him!
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Post by Redworld96 on Feb 15, 2016 16:07:00 GMT
Something I want to share you guys: Today has been the premiere of ML in Spain. After the episode, they have put the castilian spanish cast: If you read it, you can see that Hawk Moth (Lepidoptera in Spain) is not even mencioned, but Gabriel is. What do you guys think?
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Post by Redworld96 on Mar 6, 2016 18:30:57 GMT
Well .... someone who has watched the Jackady episode ... has to know who is HM really ....
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Post by -YuiNyan on Mar 6, 2016 18:48:05 GMT
SAME HERE AND THAT MOMENT WHEN HE WANT TO STEAL LADYBUG MIRACULOUS ;oooo
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Post by itsultrabeyza on Apr 1, 2016 15:51:54 GMT
What if Gabriel had a twin brother who was in love with Mama Agrest but Gabriel married her and he got jealous of Gabriel. And when Mama Agreste disappeared he wanted to find her so he became Hawk Moth. I know its stupid but it just came to my mind
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Post by aqua7kh on Apr 4, 2016 6:05:59 GMT
I think Hawkmoth is Adrien's mother in disguise. Have you ever seen the two in the same room together? I THINK NOT. lol jk I saw a theory on tumblr yesterday that Hawkmoth is Marinette's biological father. Not to mention Tom has green eyes, Sabine has grey eyes which means Marinette should not have blue eyes, according to science. However if the blue eyed Hawkmoth was indeed her dad then it would make sense. It's certainly possible, but i'm not really sure if i subscribe to the theory. Tom isn't Marinette's biological father...? o-o When was this mentioned? Also, I really want Gabriel to not be HawkMoth just because everyone will be so pissed off LOL Seriously though, he definitely is. Here's my theory: (Major Spoilers) Gabriel has the Peacock miraculous in the safe where he keeps what appears to be the personal belongings to his wife (as well as as the book) perhaps his wife was Peacock and he knew about it? Then she could have died, which could cause Gabriel to hunt down the Miraculouses he learned about from his wife and managed to snag his hands on Moth. Now he wants to get Ladybug and Noir's Miraculouses so he can get that limitless power to use it to bring back his wife.
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Post by floatingeyeball on Apr 8, 2016 16:18:35 GMT
I recently posted a long theory about this on Tumblr, I'll copy+paste it here when I can. Spoilers through season 1! The gist of it is that I think Gabriel wielded the Peacock and his wife the Butterfly. (The bright feathers of peacocks are only seen on males, not peahens, and it would fit in with Gabriel's career. He also has no need for the safe if he has the building for Hawkmoth, especially with that book of his) The clues pointing to Gabriel are to set him up as a red herring, both to the audience and Ladybug and Chat Noir, which would create a situation that would move the plot. The main problem with this theory is the lack of other suspects for Hawkmoth. I suspect a twin brother like itsultrabeyza, but we've absolutely know hints of one, and I ought to know better than to assume someone's existence. (spoilers to Gravity Falls) In Gravity Falls I adamantly denied the author being Stan's twin who most people thought was the author, thinking it was someone we hadn't met yet. Guess who was correct. Ironic that now it's less likely there's a twin rather than more. (though I was 100% on board with the idea of there being a twin in Gravity Falls)
EDIT: Okay, got it! I'm leaving the last paragraph as a sort of tl;dr. There’s clues and foreshadowing that seems to be pointing to Gabriel as Hawkmoth (his safe, Jackady turning him into a butterfly), but there’s some problems with the idea of him being Hawkmoth, like the times he’d have to be in two places at once, the safe even existing if he also has the building for his butterflies.
But Gabriel is still left in an incriminating situation, with what seems to be evidence and a good motive to use them, considering his wife. Considering how many fans are certain of Hawkmoth’s identity, I imagine Ladybug and Chat Noir would easily follow the same trail.
Now, I think it was Gabriel who owned the peacock. The bright feathers of peacocks are only found on the males (peahens have a much different appearance), and it would seem to fit Gabriel’s career as a fashion designer.
Side note: I think it’s more likely the butterfly somehow passed hands from his wife to Hawkmoth (there’s not much sense in keeping a picture of your wife in a place for secrets when you have so many pictures of her elsewhere unless she’s somehow related to the secret), but it’s also possible it was someone else entirely, or Master Fu just guessed wrong about Hawkmoth’s intentions. I guess we’ll just have to wait.
So my current guess for how a scenario like this would go: Ladybug and Chat Noir are trying to figure out Hawkmoth’s identity (I think this would occur after they discover each others’ identities-It would get the idea of their double lives in their heads and make searching easier, as well as allow Ladybug to know what support she would have to give Chat as they tried to confront him) and come across the idea of Gabriel for whatever reason, and plan to confront him while transformed. However, their plan (intentionally or not) occurs during an Akuma attack. There’s a bit of doubt, but they decide to power through it because if they can stop Hawkmoth entirely, the Akuma will be the last one.
Gabriel isn’t very convincing, and his one bit of solid proof actually makes the situation worse-He goes for his Miraculous to bring out his kwamii to help out, but Ladybug and Chat Noir mistake this as him trying to get powers to use against them, and think the peacock is a fallen hero he’s already stolen the Miraculous from.
Meanwhile, Hawkmoth’s gotten a bit of an edge without anyone stopping him. So here, it could take a positive route, with Fu trying to find owners for the last three Miraculouses, or a negative one, with the Akuma snagging one of the Miraculouses in the midst of their argument or somehow stumbling across the box. Either way, I think this would definitely be a situation that would move the plot along in ways it’s expected to go. (We can’t not have these questions answered, right?)
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Post by miraculous on Apr 16, 2016 18:41:56 GMT
Ok. So here's my theory. I believe Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth. They both have the same voice actors, both have blue eyes. If you have seen the season finale, you would know because HM was holding a picture of Adrien's mother. Also, Mrs. Agreste might have had the peacock miraculous because in Volpina, you see a peacock feather fan next to a picture of Mrs. Agreste. You may not agree with the Mr. Agreste/Hawkmoth theory because of what happened in Jackday, but maybe HM purposely did that to throw anybody off his trail. Also, note the interest he took in both Ladybug's and Chat Noir's Miraculous and how he almost took the earrings from LB.
Anyway, that's my theory.
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Post by shamira on Jul 3, 2016 16:52:42 GMT
At first I thought for certain Gabriel Agreste is Hawkmoth, and I still do a little, but then I found something that makes me question that theory. If you look at an image or Agreste mansion you'll see the Eifel tower not far behind it, but if you look at the usual scene where Hawkmoth sends out his Akuma and we see the butterfly flying through Paris, the Eifel tower is off in the distance, meaning either Hawkmoth's lair is far away from the Agreste mansion or the animators made a mistake. And I'm Simon Says, we see Gabriel appear right after Hawkmoth was in his lair, this means two conclusions, either Hawkmoth can teleport instantaneously or he isn't Gabriel. But, it the same episode of Simon Says, Hawkmoth says it's risky allowing Simon to attack the mansion. And in the origins episode Hawkmoth has a picture of Adrien's mum. Meaning the scene of the Akuma flying through Paris with the Eifel tower in the distance for a mistake and Gabriel is Hawkmoth, or Hawkmoth is just someone close to the Agrests in some way.
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Post by craggle on Jul 21, 2016 11:54:33 GMT
The clincher for me is that Agreste is the French name for the Grayling butterfly. Names being a "clue" of powers is quite an established superhero trope, so while I do kind of hope for a more interesting twist, and there are the issues with Eifel tower and the quick changes in Jackady, I think it's very likely going to be Gabriel.
The only other idea I can come up with that fits the clues (and Hawkdaddy has indicated it should be possible to identify the identity by this point) is: it's a future version of Adrien. It accounts for him having Mama Agreste's picture in a locket (only image he has being outside his own time), could explain the reason of Jackady going after Gabriel as "risky", and why he does seem to be somewhere other than the mansion. In the original timeline, no akuma could have meant his father never permitted Adrien to go to school and Adrien grew up bitter and resented his father for whatever happened to his mother.
The clincher to this theory: Adrien Agreste can kind of translate as "dark butterfly".
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Post by yomna on Jun 5, 2017 21:18:24 GMT
I will say everything i think about at first i though that hawkmoth is gabriel agreste but then i noticed something if hawkmoth is agreste he will never akumatize anyone to harm him. In bubbler hawkmoth akumatized nino because of agreste and in jackady simon was going to kill agreste,and maybe thomas astruc want us think that agreste is hawkmoth and then in other seasons just surprise us that he is not. And thomas said that will be new characters i think one of them are going to be hawkmoth.
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Post by vorpalcat on Jun 22, 2017 3:54:35 GMT
The clincher to this theory: Adrien Agreste can kind of translate as "dark butterfly". I'm afraid your clincher is wrong. 'Adrien' as a name means 'from Hadria-' which was a Roman city by the Adriatic sea (the original version of the name is 'Hadrianus') 'Agreste' is a word that refers to rough terrain, particularly in non-urban settings. So, if we are going to be very literal? The name means 'rough terrain from the city of Hadria.' Adrien is, basically, topsoil. I honestly don't know what kind of linguistic contortions you'd have to go through in order to make it mean 'dark butterfly.'
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Post by lukanette on May 22, 2021 11:36:35 GMT
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Me reading this when season four is out and we know who hawkmoth is
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